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RE: please help - 6/16/2005 10:24:30 PM
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pure performance
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WE have no numbers or time slips yet but dony worry they're coming soon we have setup a dyno day for mid june, and we will also be heading to the track for some quarter mile runs and I will postthem for everybody to look at. The Tiburon has a custom stainless manifold from Essential speed, 14b turbo from a 1st gen talon@ 7 psi of boost, custom aluminum intercooler piping made at my shop, turbo xs boost controller, 1st gen talon intercooler slightly modified, voltage clamp from Split second, Apexi SAFC and DSM 450 injectors, also air fuel and boost gauge, We cant wait to dyno it to see what kind of numbers it lays down. All I know is that its a hell of a lot faster than it was. I drive a 96 Eclipse GSX that runs low 11 second passes all day, and when my buddy first got the car he came over and gave me a ride and the first thing I said was lets boost it now 3 years of convincing him it is done, and he loves it but ill let everybody know when we dyno it. Ill also try to get some pics up soon
Tony
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RE: please help - 6/19/2005 6:38:23 AM
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Trakka
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Hi "pure performance",
I've no doubt that a turbo is great for the sort of stuff you do, that is, throwing the car down a short straight track at irregular intervals but for general day-to-day driveability and tractability, as well as being able to provide decent squirt when required, particularly in an urban environ such as here in Sydney, a supercharger would do quite nicely .
Apologies to Scott for not asking what he wants.
Regarding your stated downsides to supercharging, companies like CAPA here in Australia have a very good handle on what's required to properly setup a supercharger conversion for the most popular vehicles like Excel/Accent and Lantra/Elantra. They manage to do so without invoking any of the "bogies" you alluded to. Your opinion regarding superiority is biased by your predeliction for drag racing. WHOOPDY!(lol)
CAPA can provide a kit to suit the Accent which allows you to lay down times equal to or better than the V8 performance sedans marketed here in OZ. The ultimate Q ship on standard tyres, eh!
I think I may represent a group of people who can't or don't want to compromise the family vehicle yet still want good value, unobtrusive performance. My own car has mild work that doesn't detract from its comfort at all and can provide good performance and secure handling on out of town trips. I also know its limitations which is more than can be said for some of the hop heads who think that a turbo car improves their driving skills. I've met plenty of WRX owners on the road but very few WRX drivers. They're good in a straight line, but throw in some corners and they're lost. Most resort to the "side street turnoff" after you drive round them (inside or out) in a Lantra (LOL).
Time slips and dyno figures are fine, if thats your thing, but dynos only show potential and drag strips have no corners.
Back to you Scott. What sort of result are you looking for?
Cheers,
Andrew 
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RE: please help - 6/19/2005 11:20:03 AM
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pure performance
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I dont think you understood what I was talking about when I said that turbos are and always will be l more efficient than a supercharger. And also my 11 second car also gets my kids to school and me to work everyday with no problems,and all my options like A/C, power windowsand locks and full leather,and I can guaranty that My car handles excelant on more than just straight lines, see I live in an area known as the kettle moraine, it is known for all it hills and twists and turns of the roads and my gsx stays glued to the road tar,
There is no doubt in my mind that companies like capa have these kits worked out ,but what I was saying is that a turbo kit can be built for less money and still be every bit as dependable as a supercharger without compromising your family ride.
I do agree with what you have to say about people and their WRX's, or any vehicle for that matter that because I have met far too many people that do have a nice ride with AWD or thousands stuck into their steering and suspension and think that they are gods gift to the road and the next thing they know they are gods gift to the tree on the side of the road. Their are auto owners. enthusiasts, and then a small percentage of people who can actually drive, no doubt about that at all.
I am also a member of the SCCA and do dabble a little in road racing and am prety good at it not the best just good and constantly improving. no I dont take my gsx to the road coures due to a big turbo with too much lag for the course. I have a 99 saturn sc2 which see's the road courses.
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RE: please help - 6/20/2005 4:42:46 AM
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Trakka
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Hi again,
Yes I well understand about the efficiency issue. That's not the whole issue as I'm sure you'll agree.
I refer to your statement at the end of your post, specifically,..."no I dont take my gsx to the road coures due to a big turbo with too much lag..."(sic). That's my point. The lag is too much of an issue for everyday use.
I don't know how sparsely populated your area is, but good for you if you can use the turbo to its potential and utilise the full efficiency!
I still maintain that for daily driving ease in areas like Sydney, the supercharger is a very viable option. Torque is the deal after all, and a big linear delivery that keeps on increasing is ideal. No power rush, minimal noise and seamless grunt.
Evidence the change in power delivery to the wheels of a twin cam Excel(Accent) from 47kw to 101kw using a 10 psi boost supercharger. Bigger injectors, stock cams, 2.25 exhaust and headers. Nothing else. Your price approx.US$3500. Easy enough to install yourself. The limiter cuts in before the power tapers off and the torque is more than doubled at its peak.
Good for 14.3 e.t.'s with 95mph trap speed.
Thoughts?
Cheers,
Andrew.
< Message edited by Trakka -- 6/20/2005 4:44:23 AM >
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RE: please help - 6/20/2005 4:00:26 PM
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pure performance
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Yes my turbo does have mor lag but it is a GT35r on an eclipse but the 2 people I knowwho have turbo hyundais have virtually no turbo lagOne friend has a t25 from a second gen talon and as soon as he hits the gas the boost starts building fast and make more than plenty low end torque this car easily smoke tires from a stop light, he thinks it might build the boost a little to fast.
Where as my other buddy has a first gen 14b talon turbo on his hyundai and the turbo spools up slightly slower than the t25 which make it more ideal for him and he also make good low end torque with very little lag at all,
So as you can see turbos can be just as rerliable as a supercharger with good low end torque, its all on what size turbo you want to run, and what you are looking to do with the car as far as performance , along with reliability,and any other factors you want to include.
Their are hundreds if not thousands of different turbos for any kind of situation you might have and their is bound to be one for any application out their.
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RE: please help - 6/21/2005 7:51:16 PM
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mydartswinger
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You can also look on Evofusion USA and Kspec. They have parts for most Hyundais, including the Accent and Elantra. Tibbys are fairly easy to find parts for.
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