I believe forums are one of the highest gifts we 'now' can give one another. Kman was cordial in his explanations. I applaud you for that Kman.

Another in the flock thought I crept out from under a rock but I have tried to sit higher up and use a scope if possible to be assured of my target. I focused in on these cars and others and I ended up buying a Hyundai Elantra Touring, Manual Transmission in Red/my original goal and source of my questions.

I'm happy........ and so is my wife for this choice.

"All" the 'possible negatives' I had mentioned earlier, were brought up as negatives by others on differing forums. Not my invention. I considered ALL input from EVERY site and... as is evident.... I think the car is well worth the applause many of you are giving and have given. Thankyou all.

rock slime...Ron